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Illegal immigrants should leave the United States
Immigrants, aliens or whatever you call them - all I have to say is that I am sick of them.
The other day when I bought some gum it said the name of the gum in Spanish and then under it, it said it in English. They need to learn if they are going to live in America, they should drop their Spanish heritage and language. They should have to adapt to our heritage and language. They need to also drop the Spanish on labels because that just confuses me.
If we let them put Spanish on the labels then they will strive to get more things changed. Because once you give them what they want they will come back for more.
We should send them back to Mexico or we should have a limit of how many could cross the border. Because if you think 10 years down the road they will try to make their customs a part of ours. All I have to say is the immigrants, aliens or whatever you call them, they need to leave.
Joseph Ferguson,
Warsaw, Ill.
The other day when I bought some gum it said the name of the gum in Spanish and then under it, it said it in English. They need to learn if they are going to live in America, they should drop their Spanish heritage and language. They should have to adapt to our heritage and language. They need to also drop the Spanish on labels because that just confuses me.
If we let them put Spanish on the labels then they will strive to get more things changed. Because once you give them what they want they will come back for more.
We should send them back to Mexico or we should have a limit of how many could cross the border. Because if you think 10 years down the road they will try to make their customs a part of ours. All I have to say is the immigrants, aliens or whatever you call them, they need to leave.
Joseph Ferguson,
Warsaw, Ill.
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Abril wrote on Apr 21, 2008 11:26 AM:
" Aw how cute, you sound like you are trying way too hard to make a tiny bit of sence and sitll its not working... you are just making a fool out of yourself! But its ok, God loves us all equally!!! oh and by the way... If you dont want to be reading labels in spanish dont buy mexican products, its that easy!!! God bless you!! oh ya i almost forgot, Us Immigrants or aliens what ever you want to call us love people like you who make us even stronger every day just by listening to your insulting words!!! Have a good day and next time you are eating potatoes, peaches, grapes, and all that good stuff think about who worked thier buts off to get them to you!!! "
Jason Willsmith wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:46 AM:
" Well first all people that is races is super wrong Because some people For example a Immigrant from anywere and A American person are sometimes the same religion and they hate each other they dont show love each other they think because they are one color dosent mean that they have the power God made the whole world for every one because we are sons god and he love us dosent matter what color we are "
Kittie wrote on Mar 31, 2008 6:29 PM:
" First things first... illegals need to go home. They are stealing jobs, stealing healthcare, stealing from my kids and my government and are breaking laws. I want the illegals OUT. I dont care if they are here legally because by doing that they learn English and have to pay taxes. I dont have a job, my fiance doesnt have a job, and we cant get government help because we are going into an economic depression because of them. I agree that they need to learn English but a heritage is like a sacred thing for any and everyone. Heritage doesnt matter to me but the fact that they dont speak English and the fact that they are getting away with breaking laws everyday really pisses me off. GO HOME. If you dont like home do something about it, dont run from your problems, go fix your country. But either way you need to leave and do things the right way. "
analexis calderon wrote on Mar 19, 2008 8:36 AM:
" you are very mean... u should be happy that mexicans are here with there religion .....u should stop talking about
mexicans because mexicans are great people...i have lots of mexicans friends and they are great people....................... "
mexicans because mexicans are great people...i have lots of mexicans friends and they are great people....................... "
Alysette & Annette wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:40 PM:
" First of all if you had any sense at all, you would know that this whole country is made up of immigrants. Have you ever been to Chicago, IL? If you have, go to China town, Greek town or Little Italy. The people there still continue their heritage and language. And no one has caused any chaos because of their culture and customs. Maybe you are just terrified that the Spanish language may one day be the primary language. Or that one day we minorities are near becoming the majority and you the minority. And the Mexican people have been in this country way before the europeans crossed the ocean. The europeans where the ones who brought their customs, language and heritage over here. It was okay for them to come and conquer and change the way of life here in North America. Go back to school and catch up on your history lesson. Maybe the Mexican people are changing history by taking their country back. "
alysette balboa wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:02 AM:
" immmigrants
should be allowed in america know matter what race you are. joseph ferguson is a mean person if he don't want other
race here then he should leave just cause he dosn't understand spanish dosn't mean he should be a races "
should be allowed in america know matter what race you are. joseph ferguson is a mean person if he don't want other
race here then he should leave just cause he dosn't understand spanish dosn't mean he should be a races "
Brammer wrote on Mar 1, 2008 8:54 PM:
" I guess I should not have expected anything more-but after three days I was expecting something a bit more original and honest. I'm moving on with my life; maybe you should do the same. Do yourself a favor, please don't live your life because of me; I'm not living my life because of you. Respect and equality are tied together and that seems reasonable and ethical to me. You will find fault in everything because fault is the invention of white man, it is the white man's curse, right? If you are as ambitious as you are angry, you're success is guaranteed and no one will impede your progress-not even Thomas Jefferson or Mike Savage. "
yawm wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:55 PM:
" Hey Buddy...Face it Jefferson has sex with Sally Hemmings who was his slave. Thus he was a slave owner and a slave raper. Sex with a slave is RAPE. To argue anything else is ludicrious. Rape is about power and ability to decline. According to most reputable scholars, Jefferson and Hemmings were lovers. What could she do...say no and end up sent to work in the fields or worse?
As for the "victim" crap you propound, that's a tired old saw taken from Mike Savage's knee-jerk conservative radio show. Pointing out that the USA was built on the backs of non-whites and daring to say white privilege still exists isn'tclaiming a victim status, rather its putting the onus on the white power structure for the messes they created. People lsuch as Savage like to blame blacks and other non-white groups for their disadvantaged positions because it's easier than addressing the economic/political/cultural roots of inequality.
White privilege is the ability to blame minorities for their own plight, forgetting the racial and class arrangements which have disadvantaged non-whites in the past (slavery, jim crow, segregation, discrimination) and continues today. White privilege is the ability to expect and get equal treatment in all aspects of life without race even entering the equation. Non-whites have tolive with actual discriminatio0n (workplace, lending,schools) and with the "what if" effects of discrimination. So what is Obama is elected President? He represents the small percentage of blacks who have succeeded in a rigged class/race system. The appalling proportion of blacks (including children) who live in poverty compared to whites speaks to the structural disadvantages inherent in the American system. I doubt Obama can change that built-in bias, I doubt Jesus could for that matter.
So you did show favortism to some people based on attitude. Wow that's unfair to all those who didn't have the "proper"attitude (and who knows what that means for you). I thought everyone was supposed to be treated equally? So much for that "crazy"notion. As for your other denials, you are right I don't believe you. I'm sure if you didn't do those things you watched other people do them or laughed when they bragged about them. They teach ethics up in Johnston Iowa (the police academy) but those lessons are soon forgotten when rookies get back to work in the southeast Iowa environment.
Well I doubt we'll agree on much. You see the world one way, I see it another. All the best...
"
As for the "victim" crap you propound, that's a tired old saw taken from Mike Savage's knee-jerk conservative radio show. Pointing out that the USA was built on the backs of non-whites and daring to say white privilege still exists isn'tclaiming a victim status, rather its putting the onus on the white power structure for the messes they created. People lsuch as Savage like to blame blacks and other non-white groups for their disadvantaged positions because it's easier than addressing the economic/political/cultural roots of inequality.
White privilege is the ability to blame minorities for their own plight, forgetting the racial and class arrangements which have disadvantaged non-whites in the past (slavery, jim crow, segregation, discrimination) and continues today. White privilege is the ability to expect and get equal treatment in all aspects of life without race even entering the equation. Non-whites have tolive with actual discriminatio0n (workplace, lending,schools) and with the "what if" effects of discrimination. So what is Obama is elected President? He represents the small percentage of blacks who have succeeded in a rigged class/race system. The appalling proportion of blacks (including children) who live in poverty compared to whites speaks to the structural disadvantages inherent in the American system. I doubt Obama can change that built-in bias, I doubt Jesus could for that matter.
So you did show favortism to some people based on attitude. Wow that's unfair to all those who didn't have the "proper"attitude (and who knows what that means for you). I thought everyone was supposed to be treated equally? So much for that "crazy"notion. As for your other denials, you are right I don't believe you. I'm sure if you didn't do those things you watched other people do them or laughed when they bragged about them. They teach ethics up in Johnston Iowa (the police academy) but those lessons are soon forgotten when rookies get back to work in the southeast Iowa environment.
Well I doubt we'll agree on much. You see the world one way, I see it another. All the best...
"
Brammer wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:44 PM:
" For "yawn"...
Here's something else interesting about the Jefferson-Hemings affair: Fifty years after Jefferson’s death, a person claiming to be a descendant made the assertion that Jefferson fathered Hemings' children in an interview. Twenty years later, others claiming to be descendants began publishing articles claiming that Jefferson fathered Hemings’ children. Why did descendents wait so long to make these claims?
At the time, Federalists, many who despised Jefferson, were quickly losing power in the government, and Ant-Federalists who began to feel that Jefferson had betrayed his own Jeffersonian ideals, could have made this a sensational and powerful story. Why didn’t they? If there is one thing that hasn’t changed over the years it’s politics; this would have been a very politically expedient story for someone.
"
Here's something else interesting about the Jefferson-Hemings affair: Fifty years after Jefferson’s death, a person claiming to be a descendant made the assertion that Jefferson fathered Hemings' children in an interview. Twenty years later, others claiming to be descendants began publishing articles claiming that Jefferson fathered Hemings’ children. Why did descendents wait so long to make these claims?
At the time, Federalists, many who despised Jefferson, were quickly losing power in the government, and Ant-Federalists who began to feel that Jefferson had betrayed his own Jeffersonian ideals, could have made this a sensational and powerful story. Why didn’t they? If there is one thing that hasn’t changed over the years it’s politics; this would have been a very politically expedient story for someone.
"
Brammer wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:18 AM:
" I think I've proved my point...You will always be a victim...
First, the DNA researchers found that "the simplest and most probable" conclusion was that Thomas Jefferson fathered one of Sally Hemming's children. Second, experts disagree on the findings, ranging between unlikely and highly probable. Hardly absolute certainty; and hardly enough to accuse someone who can't defend himself of rape-although accusations are what you prosper and wallow in. Facts rather than apologies, sir.
What is "White privilege?" How does a middle class white male like me oppress you? And how does your life differ from mine? And if I were rich and powerful, how would that effect you? You write that our society is still being shaped by racism, how so? A black man will probably be our next President. Does that change your opinion of society? How can a black man be President in our oppressed times? What are the differences between white values and black values? I agree with you that elitists are still shaping the country, Obama and Clinton are two of them. Elitism and racism are not the same.
The answers to your questions:
Can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Never.
Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? I wrote tickets to some that angered me at the scene, and I wrote tickets to others that did not take heed of my warnings from past contacts. Like I wrote earlier, attitude is everything. Some got breaks, others did not; but most got some sort of break.
Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? No.
Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? No.
Sorry to disappoint you! I understand that these answers will not conveniently fit into your belief system. You can still be victim, though; misconduct is not needed anymore. Please respond in kind to the questions that I have posted for you, and if you truly believe what you write please attach your real name to your post. Oh! And my name ain't "buddy."
"
First, the DNA researchers found that "the simplest and most probable" conclusion was that Thomas Jefferson fathered one of Sally Hemming's children. Second, experts disagree on the findings, ranging between unlikely and highly probable. Hardly absolute certainty; and hardly enough to accuse someone who can't defend himself of rape-although accusations are what you prosper and wallow in. Facts rather than apologies, sir.
What is "White privilege?" How does a middle class white male like me oppress you? And how does your life differ from mine? And if I were rich and powerful, how would that effect you? You write that our society is still being shaped by racism, how so? A black man will probably be our next President. Does that change your opinion of society? How can a black man be President in our oppressed times? What are the differences between white values and black values? I agree with you that elitists are still shaping the country, Obama and Clinton are two of them. Elitism and racism are not the same.
The answers to your questions:
Can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Never.
Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? I wrote tickets to some that angered me at the scene, and I wrote tickets to others that did not take heed of my warnings from past contacts. Like I wrote earlier, attitude is everything. Some got breaks, others did not; but most got some sort of break.
Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? No.
Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? No.
Sorry to disappoint you! I understand that these answers will not conveniently fit into your belief system. You can still be victim, though; misconduct is not needed anymore. Please respond in kind to the questions that I have posted for you, and if you truly believe what you write please attach your real name to your post. Oh! And my name ain't "buddy."
"
Yawn wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:22 PM:
" Brammer apologizes for Thomas Jefferson with the typical white male atiitude....that he (Jefferson) actually liked the slave he raped (Sally Hemmings). What do you call it when the person with the power of life or death over a person has sex with that person? It ain't consensual buddy...its called RAPE. Jefferson knew it, he wasn't the only one doing it...and he tried to hide it. It took centuries and DNA to track down this dead beat dad rapist. Plus some histories claim she was a minor at the time so I guess he might be a child molestor as well. Brammer's attitude reflects the arrogance of white privilege...far from being some benevolent libertarian, he's invested in a system that serves the rich,white,male and powerful. And that system would have us all forget the racism and elitism which continues to shape our society. How convenient for him and all apologists for the status quo.
I also noted that he doesn't address any of the questions concerning police misconduct I brought up. He just ducks the question in a clever way and calls me closedminded. Answer the questions! Here I'll repeat them :
"If you are law enforcement or former law enforcement,can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? "
I await your honest reply. Seems simple enough. Maybe Thomas Jefferson can help ypou. "
I also noted that he doesn't address any of the questions concerning police misconduct I brought up. He just ducks the question in a clever way and calls me closedminded. Answer the questions! Here I'll repeat them :
"If you are law enforcement or former law enforcement,can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? "
I await your honest reply. Seems simple enough. Maybe Thomas Jefferson can help ypou. "
Brammer wrote on Feb 26, 2008 5:48 PM:
" yawn” -exactly!
I’m sorry that “white folks” won’t let you legally smoke marijuana, but you sound like a social crusader so between the munchies you might be able to work for change. Understand that I prefer to reflect and learn from history; you prefer to obsess, reject, and revise history in order to become a perpetual victim. I prefer to live in the future while keeping on eye on the past; you prefer to live in the past with on eye on the future.
Thomas Jefferson was a complex, flawed man living in different and flawed times. Thomas Jefferson was a slave-holder; revisionist history probably taught you that he raped his slaves-though he considered them his children. Thomas Jefferson was rich in property (which included his slaves), but struggled with debt his whole life; a large portion of his library was sold to the government to help off set his debt. He freed a few of his slaves when he died, but felt that the others were tied to his debt and were sold.
Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence has been used as the argument and spark for abolitionists and civil rights leaders alike. Jefferson realized that slavery went against the tenets of the Revolution, and wrote that not ending slavery would lead to “convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of one or the other race.” Jefferson proposed gradual emancipation, and prohibition of slavery in western territories. One of Jefferson’s slaves wrote: “After Mr. Jefferson had left his home to assume the duties of the office of President, all became quiet again in Monticello. But as he was esteemed by both whites and blacks as a very great man, his return home, for a brief period, was a great event.”
Jefferson was an architect, inventor, scientist, and an archivist. To sum up Jefferson in your simple terms reveals your simplicity. I’ll throw this at you: why do your “liberal intellectuals” have Jefferson-Jackson dinners and fundraisers every year?
As for my integrity, ask those I have arrested. Why would you ask me? A suspicious, closed mind like yours would never believe me, so it would be a waste of my time. Like anything in life a good attitude would get more breaks than a bad attitude-and bad attitudes certainly leave a long lasting impression.
You are not free because you can’t smoke weed? Is that all you got? What is the big picture concerning social problems? The one thing you can trust with “liberal intellectuals” is that they will throw government and money at social problems, this is “status quo.”
Consider this Jefferson quote: “The earth belongs to the living, not to the dead.” The past is the past; we are not living it, but we can learn from it.
"
I’m sorry that “white folks” won’t let you legally smoke marijuana, but you sound like a social crusader so between the munchies you might be able to work for change. Understand that I prefer to reflect and learn from history; you prefer to obsess, reject, and revise history in order to become a perpetual victim. I prefer to live in the future while keeping on eye on the past; you prefer to live in the past with on eye on the future.
Thomas Jefferson was a complex, flawed man living in different and flawed times. Thomas Jefferson was a slave-holder; revisionist history probably taught you that he raped his slaves-though he considered them his children. Thomas Jefferson was rich in property (which included his slaves), but struggled with debt his whole life; a large portion of his library was sold to the government to help off set his debt. He freed a few of his slaves when he died, but felt that the others were tied to his debt and were sold.
Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence has been used as the argument and spark for abolitionists and civil rights leaders alike. Jefferson realized that slavery went against the tenets of the Revolution, and wrote that not ending slavery would lead to “convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of one or the other race.” Jefferson proposed gradual emancipation, and prohibition of slavery in western territories. One of Jefferson’s slaves wrote: “After Mr. Jefferson had left his home to assume the duties of the office of President, all became quiet again in Monticello. But as he was esteemed by both whites and blacks as a very great man, his return home, for a brief period, was a great event.”
Jefferson was an architect, inventor, scientist, and an archivist. To sum up Jefferson in your simple terms reveals your simplicity. I’ll throw this at you: why do your “liberal intellectuals” have Jefferson-Jackson dinners and fundraisers every year?
As for my integrity, ask those I have arrested. Why would you ask me? A suspicious, closed mind like yours would never believe me, so it would be a waste of my time. Like anything in life a good attitude would get more breaks than a bad attitude-and bad attitudes certainly leave a long lasting impression.
You are not free because you can’t smoke weed? Is that all you got? What is the big picture concerning social problems? The one thing you can trust with “liberal intellectuals” is that they will throw government and money at social problems, this is “status quo.”
Consider this Jefferson quote: “The earth belongs to the living, not to the dead.” The past is the past; we are not living it, but we can learn from it.
"
just tired wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:38 AM:
" They need to get out and leave they are using our health care, (that we have to pay for) , they are bringing thousands of drugs in! Are u kidding me? thats pathetic if they dont like Mexico hmmm maybe they should try to change it. "
yawn wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:38 PM:
" ha ha ha....Brammer wrote:
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -Thomas Jefferson. "
Interesting that you cite the words of s slave-owning,slave-raping rich white guy to support your dieal of freedom. The USA has never been about freedom for all, it was created by folks with very bias views and designed to work for just those kind of folks (whites). The police and criminal justice system still uphold the core beliefs of people likke Jefferson whether they want to believe it or not. Our disdain for drugs like marijuana have their root in white protestant values concerning the connection between sin and pleasure.
Cops are an interesting breed of people. They convince themselves they are serving the public good (and sometimes do) yet in the backrooms and dark places they talk about "getting" this guy or giving some poor wretch "what he deserves". If you are law enforcement or former law enforcement,can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? Cops are great,you gotta have them but they are by no means the experts on anything but enforcing the status quo...don't look to them for answers to social problems. I'll trust a so-called "liberal" intellectual over the bias views of a police officer any day when it comes to understanding the big picture regarding a social problem.
"
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -Thomas Jefferson. "
Interesting that you cite the words of s slave-owning,slave-raping rich white guy to support your dieal of freedom. The USA has never been about freedom for all, it was created by folks with very bias views and designed to work for just those kind of folks (whites). The police and criminal justice system still uphold the core beliefs of people likke Jefferson whether they want to believe it or not. Our disdain for drugs like marijuana have their root in white protestant values concerning the connection between sin and pleasure.
Cops are an interesting breed of people. They convince themselves they are serving the public good (and sometimes do) yet in the backrooms and dark places they talk about "getting" this guy or giving some poor wretch "what he deserves". If you are law enforcement or former law enforcement,can you honestly say that you never roughed up an arrestee in return for the resistance he gave you earlier? Did you ever write a ticket to someone who had made you mad in the past, all the while ignoring the same offense committed by others? Did you turn your head while one of your fellow officers meted out his own brand of justice to some surly drunk? Did you ever dummy up evidence or fix a ticket? Cops are great,you gotta have them but they are by no means the experts on anything but enforcing the status quo...don't look to them for answers to social problems. I'll trust a so-called "liberal" intellectual over the bias views of a police officer any day when it comes to understanding the big picture regarding a social problem.
"
Brammer wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:07 AM:
" LOL..."Educated Observer," how about I call myself "The Dean?" Xenophobe is a big word, I'll give you that...I'm not convinced that you can pronounce it, though. And you are much more valuable to our country watching than commenting. You are one of many that can't come up with an argument for illegal immigration; therefore, you recklessly use terms like communism or fascism to shout down the person you are arguing against; and then you change the argument. Obviously, you do not know the definition of communism or fascism; more obviously, you haven't read any of my posts on this opinion or others.
By the way, I'm pro-Second Amendment, pro-fair market, and I'm pro-liberty. Although your pro-liberty may not agree with my pro-liberty stance. Can you have limits on liberty? How much? Is total liberty anarchy? "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," do you agree with this quote attributed to Franklin? And what is Essential Liberty? Is a phone conversation with your wife Essential Liberty? Is not being fingerprinted Essential Liberty? But what if this amounted to Permanent Safety? Liberty is more complicated that writing "I'm pro-liberty?" I can derive from observations and experience that my life has not be restricted enough to notice any loss of essential liberty over my lifetime. I prefer that government not intervene in the everyday lives of its citizens. However, government's main duty is to protect U.S. citizens, which requires enforcing our nation's LAWS and borders.
I don't understand your "Peace Officers" and "Law Enforcement" argument; the jobs have always been the same, only the people and the laws have changed. Today, you have more laws, which equals more law enforcement; including laws that require mandatory arrest. You also have the state and feds doling out money for law enforcement, which means more law enforcement. And you have people that can not take care of their own problems, can't get along with their neighbors (and would rather not), turn small nuisances into epic problems, and prefer to have the police in their living rooms everynight. There is much more social work in law enforcement currently than there ever was; most officers that I know would rather take care of the problem informally without making an arrest. You government officials, police administrators,and even the general public, base their perceptions of police work on arrest totals and reports, which they consider enforcing the law. Believe me, this is not the individual officer's fault; all of this is because of a change in society and government.
Further, I believe that police should be in the background of the community-this was printed in a newspaper article when I was a cop. "Community Policing" is a huge joke, and waste of money and resources; it never worked and never will, but it has become a Holy Grail for police administrators. As Nock argued, the government has monopolized crime,but the people-people before me- have tolerated and accepted it. You would have to change a hundred plus years of history. With this said, do you really think you are that important that I would want to watch you all day?
Before I forget, I am much more afraid of you and your great liberal education than any foreigner; though, your talking down to a nonacademic like me gives me strength and courage, and hope for a nonacademic world. Don't like Leonardo DiCaprio, didn't watch Gangs of New York; and I don't let movies and what was at best a semi-factual story influence my opinions. What are they teaching at the universities these days?
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -Thomas Jefferson. "
By the way, I'm pro-Second Amendment, pro-fair market, and I'm pro-liberty. Although your pro-liberty may not agree with my pro-liberty stance. Can you have limits on liberty? How much? Is total liberty anarchy? "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," do you agree with this quote attributed to Franklin? And what is Essential Liberty? Is a phone conversation with your wife Essential Liberty? Is not being fingerprinted Essential Liberty? But what if this amounted to Permanent Safety? Liberty is more complicated that writing "I'm pro-liberty?" I can derive from observations and experience that my life has not be restricted enough to notice any loss of essential liberty over my lifetime. I prefer that government not intervene in the everyday lives of its citizens. However, government's main duty is to protect U.S. citizens, which requires enforcing our nation's LAWS and borders.
I don't understand your "Peace Officers" and "Law Enforcement" argument; the jobs have always been the same, only the people and the laws have changed. Today, you have more laws, which equals more law enforcement; including laws that require mandatory arrest. You also have the state and feds doling out money for law enforcement, which means more law enforcement. And you have people that can not take care of their own problems, can't get along with their neighbors (and would rather not), turn small nuisances into epic problems, and prefer to have the police in their living rooms everynight. There is much more social work in law enforcement currently than there ever was; most officers that I know would rather take care of the problem informally without making an arrest. You government officials, police administrators,and even the general public, base their perceptions of police work on arrest totals and reports, which they consider enforcing the law. Believe me, this is not the individual officer's fault; all of this is because of a change in society and government.
Further, I believe that police should be in the background of the community-this was printed in a newspaper article when I was a cop. "Community Policing" is a huge joke, and waste of money and resources; it never worked and never will, but it has become a Holy Grail for police administrators. As Nock argued, the government has monopolized crime,but the people-people before me- have tolerated and accepted it. You would have to change a hundred plus years of history. With this said, do you really think you are that important that I would want to watch you all day?
Before I forget, I am much more afraid of you and your great liberal education than any foreigner; though, your talking down to a nonacademic like me gives me strength and courage, and hope for a nonacademic world. Don't like Leonardo DiCaprio, didn't watch Gangs of New York; and I don't let movies and what was at best a semi-factual story influence my opinions. What are they teaching at the universities these days?
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -Thomas Jefferson. "
cory wrieden wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:36 PM:
" sounds like a bunch of kids arguing over the last cookie in the cookie jar, how about we all "grow up". Not sure what to say to the whole native american thing how can we be "one nation under god" if we are profiled right away. I'm not racist and no I do not just like white people. But I would have to agree if they're illegally here send them back where they come from maybe even charge their goverment for the cost of removing them from our country? But who knows i'm just a 23 year old with an american education what do I know right C MAT? "
Educated Observer. wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:21 PM:
" I'd also like to point out that the police officers and former police officers posting on this site sound a lot like communists and fascists. They purposefully and willfully ignore the fact that we could very easily issue work visas to anyone wanting to come in so there would be no need to surreptitiously enter the country. I know that most police cannot fathom the idea of not tracking every biometric a person could have, but work visas are trackable and that seems to be the gist of what is being demanded.
Contrarily, the reference to fingerprints is inapt. Unless voluntarily given, as mine were for my line of work, or take from an alleged criminal, civilian prints should not be on file. Thus, if one who has not given prints before commits a crime, the police would not have prints to trace...same situation as an illegal.
I don't care how angry the former/current cops get, they are asking for a videocam nation where they can watch us all the time. Cops used to be peace officers...now they are law enforcement. The terms alone indicate where we are heading. I only hope that pro-gun, pro-market, pro-liberty people can help turn the tide. "
Contrarily, the reference to fingerprints is inapt. Unless voluntarily given, as mine were for my line of work, or take from an alleged criminal, civilian prints should not be on file. Thus, if one who has not given prints before commits a crime, the police would not have prints to trace...same situation as an illegal.
I don't care how angry the former/current cops get, they are asking for a videocam nation where they can watch us all the time. Cops used to be peace officers...now they are law enforcement. The terms alone indicate where we are heading. I only hope that pro-gun, pro-market, pro-liberty people can help turn the tide. "
Educated observer. wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:13 PM:
" First off, illegals in the US have a very hard time tapping into social services and thus the taxes citizens pay. Non-citizens do no get social security, medicare, medicaid, etc - these things are where taxes are spent directly on the people. Obviously military protection and the like are benefits to these people, but not like some claim on this site. No social security number? No benefits. Sure, there is fraud, but it is not on the scale some assume.
Further, I suspect people in Keokuk are bitter about low-wage competition moving into the marketplace. The reality is that in many case, illegals do jobs that Americans will not and, as time goes on, will price out current labor, especially the kind found in Keokuk. Nobody is owed a job - the market determines who offers the best bang for the buck - this means that, if you are priced out of a job, you were not worth what you were paid plus any benefits. This is the real cost of labor unions overpricing of labor in America - Keokuk will pay the price for it and rightly so. For the sake of disclosure, I was born and raised in Keokuk and know all too well the entitlement mindset of most laborers in the town. Besides, lower wages equals cheaper goods and services and that is good for all us, unless you like paying $50 for a hamburger....
As also mentioned, this nation is built on immigration. On a very basic and non-academic level, surely some of you xenophobes have seen "Gangs of New York," which illustrates the abuse of the Irish by "natives." Sure, hispanic illegals and immigrants speak the native tongue....so did your ancestors and they sold goods labeled only in that tongue. English is the language of money and business. Any group that wants to survive in the local and global marketplace will learn to speak english or they will not thrive. I am firmly convinced that hard working spanish speakers will have children who speak english and, at least by the third generation, will send their kids to college.
I'm sure I'll get called names or some other tripe, but reality hurts and keokuk is getting bucketloads of reality these days. I only hope Keokukians will finally get the hint that the glory days of the factory are over and it's time to move into a new marketplace.
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Further, I suspect people in Keokuk are bitter about low-wage competition moving into the marketplace. The reality is that in many case, illegals do jobs that Americans will not and, as time goes on, will price out current labor, especially the kind found in Keokuk. Nobody is owed a job - the market determines who offers the best bang for the buck - this means that, if you are priced out of a job, you were not worth what you were paid plus any benefits. This is the real cost of labor unions overpricing of labor in America - Keokuk will pay the price for it and rightly so. For the sake of disclosure, I was born and raised in Keokuk and know all too well the entitlement mindset of most laborers in the town. Besides, lower wages equals cheaper goods and services and that is good for all us, unless you like paying $50 for a hamburger....
As also mentioned, this nation is built on immigration. On a very basic and non-academic level, surely some of you xenophobes have seen "Gangs of New York," which illustrates the abuse of the Irish by "natives." Sure, hispanic illegals and immigrants speak the native tongue....so did your ancestors and they sold goods labeled only in that tongue. English is the language of money and business. Any group that wants to survive in the local and global marketplace will learn to speak english or they will not thrive. I am firmly convinced that hard working spanish speakers will have children who speak english and, at least by the third generation, will send their kids to college.
I'm sure I'll get called names or some other tripe, but reality hurts and keokuk is getting bucketloads of reality these days. I only hope Keokukians will finally get the hint that the glory days of the factory are over and it's time to move into a new marketplace.
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Dunagan wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:12 AM:
" Having worked with Brammer for well over ten years I can say that he treats all people as equal no matter what their nationality or race. The point he is trying to make that everyone seems to ignore or simply overlook is the fact that illegals are ILEGAL. They commit crimes and are untraceable. No finger print database, no social security number, no verifiable name. Then if caught it costs money for an interpreter, because even if they can speak English they can't when their hand is in the cookie jar.
Illegals abuse the welfare system/social security system. They pay no money in yet reap the benefits. Why not jump the border and have your baby where it can be paid for by another country. Hmmm lets send as many illegals across the border as possible to overwhelm and deplete the Justice System and Welfare System. Sounds somewhat like a form of Terrorism doesn't it. Sure it does. No there aren't buildings falling down and cars blowing up (yet) but it is tearing down our infrastructure.
Build me some fenses PLEASE! Maybe Americans need to wake up again. Don't forget a slogan from 1836- REMEMBER THE ALAMO!! "
Illegals abuse the welfare system/social security system. They pay no money in yet reap the benefits. Why not jump the border and have your baby where it can be paid for by another country. Hmmm lets send as many illegals across the border as possible to overwhelm and deplete the Justice System and Welfare System. Sounds somewhat like a form of Terrorism doesn't it. Sure it does. No there aren't buildings falling down and cars blowing up (yet) but it is tearing down our infrastructure.
Build me some fenses PLEASE! Maybe Americans need to wake up again. Don't forget a slogan from 1836- REMEMBER THE ALAMO!! "
Brammer wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:02 PM:
" "MeMe"
The cost to naturalize is $675, check the government's website. Whatever your job or situation is, fees are unavoidable. I have to pay licensing fees to be eligible to work my job, people have to pay to be fingerprinted (usually $15-$20) to work jobs, workers have to pay union fees, and it goes on and on.
Why would someone need to renew citizenship? Please inform me. So what should the price for naturalization be? Free? Put it all on the backs of the tax payers? Bill it to the country the came from? Why shouldn't an immigrant pay for the process? The process should be drawn out, it is a way to nationalize; a way to break or lessen the ties to other countries. And its a way to prove that the person can support themselves. Everyone is always looking for a free ride; there are none! "
The cost to naturalize is $675, check the government's website. Whatever your job or situation is, fees are unavoidable. I have to pay licensing fees to be eligible to work my job, people have to pay to be fingerprinted (usually $15-$20) to work jobs, workers have to pay union fees, and it goes on and on.
Why would someone need to renew citizenship? Please inform me. So what should the price for naturalization be? Free? Put it all on the backs of the tax payers? Bill it to the country the came from? Why shouldn't an immigrant pay for the process? The process should be drawn out, it is a way to nationalize; a way to break or lessen the ties to other countries. And its a way to prove that the person can support themselves. Everyone is always looking for a free ride; there are none! "
meme wrote on Feb 20, 2008 6:05 PM:
" Brammer, perhaps you should get more information about becoming a legal immigrant, your fees are off abit. I have a friend that immigrated to Texas from Australia and a neice that married a Guatamalean, both are legal and both spent thousands of US dollars to become legal, and they have to keep updating every two years. They have to apply for and pay for fingerprinting in both countries, have complete physicals in each country, along with filing fees, etc; This is a long drawn out process that costs lots. Everytime they ask for more information, it costs. "
Brammer wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:02 AM:
" "MeMe"...
Cost to become naturalized...$675; a legal United States Citizen...priceless.
Really not that expensive when you consider the thousands of dollars that are sent back to Mexico by each illegal immigrant every year. When U.S. citizens commit crimes, they are protected by a document called the Constitution-ever heard of it? Shipping them to another country would be cruel and unusual punishment. Please refer to Supreme Court case Trop v Dulles (1958). And do you know why it's becoming harder for immigrants to become legally naturalized? Because of the crushing number of illegal immigrants coming into the country every year. If illegal immigration is out of control, legal immigration has to be controlled. "
Cost to become naturalized...$675; a legal United States Citizen...priceless.
Really not that expensive when you consider the thousands of dollars that are sent back to Mexico by each illegal immigrant every year. When U.S. citizens commit crimes, they are protected by a document called the Constitution-ever heard of it? Shipping them to another country would be cruel and unusual punishment. Please refer to Supreme Court case Trop v Dulles (1958). And do you know why it's becoming harder for immigrants to become legally naturalized? Because of the crushing number of illegal immigrants coming into the country every year. If illegal immigration is out of control, legal immigration has to be controlled. "
Meme wrote on Feb 19, 2008 7:35 PM:
" First of all, I did not steal land or anything from anyone, but I am a born American, with causcasion skintones. All of you immigrant haters, do you realize at one time your ancestor was an immigrant, perhaps they should have gone back. If the regulations to become a legalized citizen wasn't so difficult and cost so darn much there wouldnt be so many "illegals" here. While we are on the subject of illegals, lets see drug use and sales are illegal, robbery/theft (including taking a pen from the bank) injury to another, abuse to animals or humans, driving under the influence, etc; are all illegal activities, should we ship everyone that is or has done 'illegal' off to somewhere else? We need to band together rather than condemn others of different races, creed, religions, size, shape, opinions. Have you looked at the troops over in Iraq defending your great nation? How many are non-whites? Think about it. "
Brammer wrote on Feb 19, 2008 6:12 PM:
" If "Wow" and "C Mat" want to make illegal immigration a race issue they are sorely missing the point. Read this very carefully: It is about criminals entering the United State illegally; its about preservation of our heritage and culture. You two want to believe there is no heritage or culture unique to the U.S., and you label anyone who does a racist.
The facts are out there, but it is hard to argue the facts; it is much easier to personally attack another. By the way, you will find other races opposed to illegal immigration. In fact, data shows the illegal immigration effects are felt most by minorities. Illegal immigrants do "dirty work" is the only answer you can give regarding the benefits on our economy? I guarantee that you will find Americans doing "dirty work" also. You understand that illegal immigrants drive down the wage for Americans to do the "dirty work?" If anything, it is more of a problem of Americans not wanting to do the work for the pay. Also, you fail to realize that a large amount of meth and marijauana (among other drugs) brought in by illegal immigration.
For your information, I live close to Marshalltown- and that town is a disaster thanks to illegal immigration. Also, for your information, I work for Native Americans, and I protect their assets. You can rant , circumvent the argument, and label people all you want, thus proving that you have no argument for illegal immigration. "
The facts are out there, but it is hard to argue the facts; it is much easier to personally attack another. By the way, you will find other races opposed to illegal immigration. In fact, data shows the illegal immigration effects are felt most by minorities. Illegal immigrants do "dirty work" is the only answer you can give regarding the benefits on our economy? I guarantee that you will find Americans doing "dirty work" also. You understand that illegal immigrants drive down the wage for Americans to do the "dirty work?" If anything, it is more of a problem of Americans not wanting to do the work for the pay. Also, you fail to realize that a large amount of meth and marijauana (among other drugs) brought in by illegal immigration.
For your information, I live close to Marshalltown- and that town is a disaster thanks to illegal immigration. Also, for your information, I work for Native Americans, and I protect their assets. You can rant , circumvent the argument, and label people all you want, thus proving that you have no argument for illegal immigration. "
C MAT wrote on Feb 19, 2008 7:15 AM:
" I M SIKOVIT, i am sorry I typed the wrong name from previous message. It is address to Brammer. I want to answer hisquestion about how Illegal Immigrants is beneficial to this country. Well, Mr. Brammer, If you have not noticed, you City alone is going to the drain for too much infestation of Illegal drugs. Why is this happening? Your people are too lazy to use their hands for labor, eh? Easy money is all that matters, isn't it? Then all the while live off the welfare where legal Immigrants paid their taxes deligently enough but works long hours to gain enough for their household... Illegal Immigrants might not be paying their dues to the IRS but they were the ones who scrape the floor for the elites of this society, Isn't this slavery? They are the ones who washes the dishes of the restaurants where you might have eaten too because some Americans are lazy and too hypocrites to do the job. By the way, do you like Mexican foods? How about Chinese foods, how about Italian food, huh? Or are you stuck on corn, bread and chicken? In short, Illegal Aliens are the ones doing your dirty work, while you raise eye brows on them. My friend, will you look in your household furnitures and other goods, you maybe surprised what country they came from. FYI. LIVE AND LET LIVE, that should be our principle in life, since people to fellow men and country to every nation is actually using each other in reality. "
C MAT wrote on Feb 19, 2008 6:37 AM:
" what about the people who are legal with US Citizenship do you have a problem with them too '?
I know you ,Americans can't speak, read and writ their language hummmm........
SCARE YOU DOES IT????
afraid that they might be talking about you?
Feel intimidated?
No thats not right, JUST RACIST HUH?
Now lets chat about American women and their men who get pregnant strictly for the purpose of living off the welfare system for a free ride because they are too lazy to get a job. Now where is your tax money going... Jokes on you...
By the way the American language originated from Europe/England, and when they came accross America, stayed for the American gold, right eh? But even European don't speak and write the English language correctly, save those who really educated themselves. So, i think you've got to back to your country SIKOVIT
and while we speak of going back to your own country explain, why the US are always in the other countries trying to create peace or to take what is not theirs. In our own history the American stoled, lied, and deceived the true American.
THE AMERICAN INDIAN ARE THE TRUE LAND HOLDER OR NATIVES OF AMERICA. AND IF MY GRAMMAR OR SPELLING IS INCORRECT, THANKS FOR THE AMERICAN TEACHERS OF OUR CHILDREN. By the way, for your information, I am an American, married to a Filipina. I am not brown, my eyes are not slanted, but I speak Tagalog. Now do you want to ship me to another country? "
I know you ,Americans can't speak, read and writ their language hummmm........
SCARE YOU DOES IT????
afraid that they might be talking about you?
Feel intimidated?
No thats not right, JUST RACIST HUH?
Now lets chat about American women and their men who get pregnant strictly for the purpose of living off the welfare system for a free ride because they are too lazy to get a job. Now where is your tax money going... Jokes on you...
By the way the American language originated from Europe/England, and when they came accross America, stayed for the American gold, right eh? But even European don't speak and write the English language correctly, save those who really educated themselves. So, i think you've got to back to your country SIKOVIT
and while we speak of going back to your own country explain, why the US are always in the other countries trying to create peace or to take what is not theirs. In our own history the American stoled, lied, and deceived the true American.
THE AMERICAN INDIAN ARE THE TRUE LAND HOLDER OR NATIVES OF AMERICA. AND IF MY GRAMMAR OR SPELLING IS INCORRECT, THANKS FOR THE AMERICAN TEACHERS OF OUR CHILDREN. By the way, for your information, I am an American, married to a Filipina. I am not brown, my eyes are not slanted, but I speak Tagalog. Now do you want to ship me to another country? "
Wow.... wrote on Feb 15, 2008 2:03 PM:
" why don't you haters just come out and admt you don't like non-white people? The "language, borders, culture" crowd, a la Mike Savage, try and veil their racism with a twisted patriotism (which we all know is the last refuge of scoundrels). You can, however, see where their true feelings lay by examining their words. "We should send them back to Mexico" said one such misanthrope. Of course that assumes they are all from Mexico in the first place, many aren't. Tell me, do you hate just Mexicans? Are Chinese okay? What about Russian? I suspect that the closer the group in question is to looking and acting "white", the less this hater hates them. He won't come out and say that but you can read between the lines...non-whites need not apply.
What about Mexico? A large portion of the current USA was TAKEN from Mexico through force of arms by the USA when our "peaceful" country was "nation building" (invading weaker neighbors). Should we be surprised that the "natives" want to return to the land they used to own until we stole it from them? How dare they insist on speaking the language of their ancestors? Who are they to invade our rightfully stolen land?
"They should have to adapt to our heritage and language." Which heritage is that? The United States has always been a conglomeration of different ethnicities (ruled of course by a WHITE protestant elite) which has made the nation as robust as it is. I think what the writer means is "they should have to adapt to my slanted view of American culture". Of course, the white protestant elites with the same view killed indians, enslaved blacks, tormented the Irish, excluded and then expelled the Chinese,etc etc. The legacy of American racism is long in the USA. Only from a white point of view is there such a thing as one american hertitage. Look at the web pages of white supremacist organizations such as W.A.R., there you'll find the true exponents of the singular american heritage hypothesis.
The association between the langauage, culture, borders crowd and the white supremacist crowd is no accident. Both assume that they (white english speakers) are the "true" americans and any others are just wanna-bes or johhny come latelys. That is why African-Americans have had such a hard time gaining a foothold in the American scene. They are obviously non-white and some use a style of english not used by mainstream whites. They are therefore marginalized and expected to "meet white American standards" if they hope to succeed. Do you think we'd know who Barack Obama is if he spoke the english used by many blacks in the deep south? Or even worse, the inner city? What if he looked like Snoop Dogg? Would you vote for him? The twisted patriotism of the right is intertwined with the nativist, racist ideology of the far right.
I wonder if the whole illegal immigration debate is distracting most Americans from the real issues they should be attending to. The republicans have disenfranchised whole segments of the population while ensuring that their access to wealth is maintained and even strengthened. The distribution of wealth (all assets worth money plus income) has moved from bad to worse in the time of Bush. 20% of the population control over 85% of the wealth in the USA. The top 1% (almost all whites I might add) control 33% of that wealth. The rest of us (85% of americans) make do with the remaining 15% of that wealth. Why are we arguing over immigration when the real problems is to be found in the way wealth is distributed among Americans? FYI, most of the wealth controlled by the 1% is in the form of inheritance and ownership of stocks/bonds/real estate....its not income and they didn't earn it. Why are we quibbling over the crumbs while the elite enjoy a feast they didn't work for (and are reluctant to pay taxes on)?
In conclusion, when you hear the whine of the language ,border, culture crowd, bear in mind that their ideology is invested with an arrogance of power, an ingorance of history and the racism of the nativist. "
What about Mexico? A large portion of the current USA was TAKEN from Mexico through force of arms by the USA when our "peaceful" country was "nation building" (invading weaker neighbors). Should we be surprised that the "natives" want to return to the land they used to own until we stole it from them? How dare they insist on speaking the language of their ancestors? Who are they to invade our rightfully stolen land?
"They should have to adapt to our heritage and language." Which heritage is that? The United States has always been a conglomeration of different ethnicities (ruled of course by a WHITE protestant elite) which has made the nation as robust as it is. I think what the writer means is "they should have to adapt to my slanted view of American culture". Of course, the white protestant elites with the same view killed indians, enslaved blacks, tormented the Irish, excluded and then expelled the Chinese,etc etc. The legacy of American racism is long in the USA. Only from a white point of view is there such a thing as one american hertitage. Look at the web pages of white supremacist organizations such as W.A.R., there you'll find the true exponents of the singular american heritage hypothesis.
The association between the langauage, culture, borders crowd and the white supremacist crowd is no accident. Both assume that they (white english speakers) are the "true" americans and any others are just wanna-bes or johhny come latelys. That is why African-Americans have had such a hard time gaining a foothold in the American scene. They are obviously non-white and some use a style of english not used by mainstream whites. They are therefore marginalized and expected to "meet white American standards" if they hope to succeed. Do you think we'd know who Barack Obama is if he spoke the english used by many blacks in the deep south? Or even worse, the inner city? What if he looked like Snoop Dogg? Would you vote for him? The twisted patriotism of the right is intertwined with the nativist, racist ideology of the far right.
I wonder if the whole illegal immigration debate is distracting most Americans from the real issues they should be attending to. The republicans have disenfranchised whole segments of the population while ensuring that their access to wealth is maintained and even strengthened. The distribution of wealth (all assets worth money plus income) has moved from bad to worse in the time of Bush. 20% of the population control over 85% of the wealth in the USA. The top 1% (almost all whites I might add) control 33% of that wealth. The rest of us (85% of americans) make do with the remaining 15% of that wealth. Why are we arguing over immigration when the real problems is to be found in the way wealth is distributed among Americans? FYI, most of the wealth controlled by the 1% is in the form of inheritance and ownership of stocks/bonds/real estate....its not income and they didn't earn it. Why are we quibbling over the crumbs while the elite enjoy a feast they didn't work for (and are reluctant to pay taxes on)?
In conclusion, when you hear the whine of the language ,border, culture crowd, bear in mind that their ideology is invested with an arrogance of power, an ingorance of history and the racism of the nativist. "
I M Sikovit wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:33 PM:
" I am sorry my words offended you sir, but recognition of hypocrisy and satire seems to be your weak spot. Put simply, follow the money. If the illegals didn't make big profits for our top 2% income bracket, it would stop. Illegal immigration doesn't hurt them.
If you haven't voted to stop it, congratulations and pass the Corona. Who did you vote for last? "
If you haven't voted to stop it, congratulations and pass the Corona. Who did you vote for last? "
Brammer wrote on Feb 11, 2008 11:14 PM:
" The gist of your argument is that illegal immigrationn is fine if it can be exploited. Apparently, you don't pay taxes? Because they are exploiting us, also. If it is as you write, "all about the money' then you have to look at the impact of illegal immigration on welfare, public health, public education, and the criminal justice system. I know the Democrats answer would be to squeeze the last vestige of life out of the middle class by rasising taxes instead of confronting the issue. Our economic growth does not depend-and never has- on low-skilled illegal (or for that matter legal) immigrants. Also, I think some residents in the San Diego suburbs would disagree on your statement that fences do not work. Sorry, I wont be there to pass you the the tequila at Open Borders Day. "
I M Sikovit wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:12 PM:
" Let me see,
the immigrants are here for jobs. Jobs that provide income to businesses large and small. Businesses that do well, provide return on income in the form of better stock returns. All of us that have stock, or 401k's, benefit from that return. I don't care that hiring these unfortunates is illegal, its all about money. As long as the money flows, (and flows into the correct hands, like mine) all is well. If we wanted, really wanted to stop this influx of illegals, the laws would change, so that the folks that hire them, would pay the price. Stocks would fall, businesses would fail, those nice houses on the nation's various Grand Avenues would go vacant. Society, and all us folks following the party of the elephant, would suffer.
As a red-blooded patriot, I can not stand and let that happen. I say, hire Jose to build a fence, and distract all of you that can't muster enough courage to vote for the obvious, if you vote at all. Fences have worked for, wait a minute, they don't. They do make good symbolic gestures though and isn't that what our system has perfected? If I can move jobs to a communist country, sell them technology, and make a buck, I am all for it. You won't pay attention because of Juan next to you in the post office.
Columbus Day, St Paddies day, Maifest, Octoberfest, et al, are all holidays rooted in solid American tradition. We don't celebrate Bastille day now do we? We don't need no stinkin' tequila at our barbeques, thank you! "
the immigrants are here for jobs. Jobs that provide income to businesses large and small. Businesses that do well, provide return on income in the form of better stock returns. All of us that have stock, or 401k's, benefit from that return. I don't care that hiring these unfortunates is illegal, its all about money. As long as the money flows, (and flows into the correct hands, like mine) all is well. If we wanted, really wanted to stop this influx of illegals, the laws would change, so that the folks that hire them, would pay the price. Stocks would fall, businesses would fail, those nice houses on the nation's various Grand Avenues would go vacant. Society, and all us folks following the party of the elephant, would suffer.
As a red-blooded patriot, I can not stand and let that happen. I say, hire Jose to build a fence, and distract all of you that can't muster enough courage to vote for the obvious, if you vote at all. Fences have worked for, wait a minute, they don't. They do make good symbolic gestures though and isn't that what our system has perfected? If I can move jobs to a communist country, sell them technology, and make a buck, I am all for it. You won't pay attention because of Juan next to you in the post office.
Columbus Day, St Paddies day, Maifest, Octoberfest, et al, are all holidays rooted in solid American tradition. We don't celebrate Bastille day now do we? We don't need no stinkin' tequila at our barbeques, thank you! "
Brammer wrote on Feb 11, 2008 7:00 PM:
" To I M Sikovit...Like me, Mr. Ferguson probably believes that his "country of origin" is the United States. This is contrary to the current mass of illegal immigrants, and many legal immigrants, who refuse to assimilate thus keeping strong bonds to their "country of origin." Instead of telling American citizens to go back to the home of their ancestors, maybe you could intelligently explain how the current influx of illegal immigration is beneficial to this country? "
I M Sikovit wrote on Feb 8, 2008 6:43 PM:
" Well my friend,
if you don't speak the original native american language of the area, you should go back to the country of your origin, as your ancestors were probably sent here for being offensive to the establishment of that country. Ferguson just doesn't sound very "Native" to me. No child left behind indeed! "
if you don't speak the original native american language of the area, you should go back to the country of your origin, as your ancestors were probably sent here for being offensive to the establishment of that country. Ferguson just doesn't sound very "Native" to me. No child left behind indeed! "
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