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By Steve Dunn/Gate City Managing Editor
Fifteen local residents and a staffer for Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama shared history at the home of Justin and Ivy Tuck in Keokuk Thursday evening.
For some like Frederick Seay of Keokuk, Obama's nomination was an event they weren't sure they would see in their lifetime. The Illinois senator became the first African American to be nominated by a major political party for the country's highest office.
Ironically, his nomination in Denver, Colo., came 45 years to the day after the late Martin Luther King Jr.'s famous “I Have a Dream” speech in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.
“It's an emotional thing to see a black man nominated,” said Seay, who watched King's speech on television as a youth. “I didn't know if I'd see an African American nominated as a president in my lifetime.”
Seay, who grew up in Shreveport, La., can still remember segregated schools and blacks being forced to sit in the balconies of movie theaters.
“Barack speaks well and touches feelings,” Seay commented. “He seems to have the ability to draw people together.”
The historic aspect of Thursday night's event wasn't lost on Jim Vandenberg, a retired civics teacher who didn't believe he'd see an African American receive a major political party's presidential nomination in his lifetime.
“He's extremely intelligent and he has a strong faith,” said Vandenberg, referring to Obama. “He accepts and loves people.”
Obama drew applause from his local supporters throughout his acceptance speech before about 75,000 people in a Denver football stadium.
Not only did they applaud when Obama saluted Sen. Hillary Clinton, his chief rival throughout the hard fought primary season, but also when he introduced his vice presidential selection, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.
“I love how he (Biden) has his family around,” said Jacqie Jones. “I think she's (Obama's wife, Michelle) beautiful.”
The group at the Tucks' house also indicated agreement when Obama referred to soon-to-be Republican presidential nominee John McCain's judgment when McCain has voted with President George Bush 90 percent of the time. Obama also got a few laughs when he said it's not that McCain doesn't care, rather it's that he doesn't know.
After listing what he would do as president, Obama got another favorable reaction when he attributed his and his wife's success so far to a good education. His line that he wants equal pay for equal work so “that my daughters are paid the same as your sons for the same work” also got a good response from the local audience.
Some of the biggest response came when Obama criticized McCain for “not following bin Laden to the cave where he lives” and addressed the patriotism issue by saying “we all put our country first.”
Obama's observation that “change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington” also got a positive response from his local supporters.
After Obama's speech, Vandenberg told some fellow supporters “he (Obama) really believes what he's talking about” and evoked the memory of the late President John F. Kennedy.
Another supporter, Tara Sparrow, clearly was touched by Obama's speech.
“It was pretty moving,” she said as the party wound down. “I can remember four years ago when Barack spoke (at the Democratic National Convention). I looked at my friend and said, ‘This guy should be president of the United States.'”
Obama should keep pointing out the differences between him and McCain, Sparrow said.
“Obama nailed it tonight, but he needs to keep going through the distinctions. I think he is the right man for the job. I went to London a couple of months ago and the question I got the most was, ‘What do you think of Bush? They are not behind McCain. They asked whether Obama can restore America. They know America is broken.”
As he was leaving, Carl Pflug of Keokuk said, “I thought it (Obama's speech) was real well done. Can we do all this? I don't know, but we have to start.”
For some like Frederick Seay of Keokuk, Obama's nomination was an event they weren't sure they would see in their lifetime. The Illinois senator became the first African American to be nominated by a major political party for the country's highest office.
Ironically, his nomination in Denver, Colo., came 45 years to the day after the late Martin Luther King Jr.'s famous “I Have a Dream” speech in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.
“It's an emotional thing to see a black man nominated,” said Seay, who watched King's speech on television as a youth. “I didn't know if I'd see an African American nominated as a president in my lifetime.”
Seay, who grew up in Shreveport, La., can still remember segregated schools and blacks being forced to sit in the balconies of movie theaters.
“Barack speaks well and touches feelings,” Seay commented. “He seems to have the ability to draw people together.”
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“He's extremely intelligent and he has a strong faith,” said Vandenberg, referring to Obama. “He accepts and loves people.”
Obama drew applause from his local supporters throughout his acceptance speech before about 75,000 people in a Denver football stadium.
Not only did they applaud when Obama saluted Sen. Hillary Clinton, his chief rival throughout the hard fought primary season, but also when he introduced his vice presidential selection, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.
“I love how he (Biden) has his family around,” said Jacqie Jones. “I think she's (Obama's wife, Michelle) beautiful.”
The group at the Tucks' house also indicated agreement when Obama referred to soon-to-be Republican presidential nominee John McCain's judgment when McCain has voted with President George Bush 90 percent of the time. Obama also got a few laughs when he said it's not that McCain doesn't care, rather it's that he doesn't know.
After listing what he would do as president, Obama got another favorable reaction when he attributed his and his wife's success so far to a good education. His line that he wants equal pay for equal work so “that my daughters are paid the same as your sons for the same work” also got a good response from the local audience.
Some of the biggest response came when Obama criticized McCain for “not following bin Laden to the cave where he lives” and addressed the patriotism issue by saying “we all put our country first.”
Obama's observation that “change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington” also got a positive response from his local supporters.
After Obama's speech, Vandenberg told some fellow supporters “he (Obama) really believes what he's talking about” and evoked the memory of the late President John F. Kennedy.
Another supporter, Tara Sparrow, clearly was touched by Obama's speech.
“It was pretty moving,” she said as the party wound down. “I can remember four years ago when Barack spoke (at the Democratic National Convention). I looked at my friend and said, ‘This guy should be president of the United States.'”
Obama should keep pointing out the differences between him and McCain, Sparrow said.
“Obama nailed it tonight, but he needs to keep going through the distinctions. I think he is the right man for the job. I went to London a couple of months ago and the question I got the most was, ‘What do you think of Bush? They are not behind McCain. They asked whether Obama can restore America. They know America is broken.”
As he was leaving, Carl Pflug of Keokuk said, “I thought it (Obama's speech) was real well done. Can we do all this? I don't know, but we have to start.”
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Check his record wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:30 PM:
" Obama did NOTHING while he was in the state senate in Illinois and has done the same in the US senate. A vote of "present" is just a way to keep others from knowing what your real opinions and motives are. "
D wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:45 AM:
" You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America ? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol! "
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days.
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America ? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol! "
Roflcopter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:34 AM:
" Short Bus for Liberals wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:36 PM:
" Through "
Beep beep, Neocon. "
" Through "
Beep beep, Neocon. "
Short Bus for Liberals wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:36 PM:
" Short bus for the liberals, no doubt. Through in the left sided media and the short bus would really be ten miles long. "Raise taxes and give me more money because I am worthless and cannot do anything for myself. The government owes me........"
Sickening. They all need tased our fine KPD Officers. "
Sickening. They all need tased our fine KPD Officers. "
Speeches count as much as a vote for obama wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:00 PM:
" Due to our corrupt voting system that the republicans used to steal the election in 2004, it doesnt matter how well Obama is supported, Diebold systems(now Premier systems), will still cheat the United States in this election. It's pretty sad that the countries we are trying to free and make democratic have less corrupt voting systems than we do. Voters should not have to rely on any private company for the security and the fundamental fairness of their election system… The further you go into privatizing this activity of running elections, the more you lose control over the very core of our democracy. When you have scum like Mike Coffman and Tom Feeny involved in the voting process, we will never be a democratic country. "
Time will tell wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:29 PM:
" The finish line is almost here, we'll just have to see who wins the race. I think the short bus is going to run out of gas!!l "
Redman wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:50 PM:
" PLAGERISM or PLAGIARISM - what's the difference? Dems VP candidate is as bad as ALGORE who invented the internet. I think Rolfcopter needs to take a long nap. "
Roflcopter wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:49 AM:
" Naturally, it's all in good fun. Everything I say on the Innertubes is intended to stir up SOME sort of discussion, whether it be about Ghostbusters or my socially-unforgiving likening of ultra-conservatives to the unfortunate fates of those poor children who actually do ride horizontally-challenged buses to school.
Either way... pancakes. "
Either way... pancakes. "
To Roflcopter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:22 PM:
" Usually everything you say makes me want to squeeze your throat; however you are truly entertaining on this particular subject. Love the beep beeps. I work with a one who has been riding the bus for years. I'll shout a beep beep out to her on Monday! "
Roflcopter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:36 AM:
" @Redman (how are those pancakes?):
PLAGERISM, no. PLAGIARISM, yes. Almost intelligent, good job; it looks like someone needs his own speech writer. 'Heck, Pa I shore wus umpressed wiff dem talkin folks on da magic picturebox too.'
Ride that bus, beep beep beep. "
PLAGERISM, no. PLAGIARISM, yes. Almost intelligent, good job; it looks like someone needs his own speech writer. 'Heck, Pa I shore wus umpressed wiff dem talkin folks on da magic picturebox too.'
Ride that bus, beep beep beep. "
Pailn - The Facts wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:51 AM:
" Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." Congress also already had killed the project due to public outcry before Palin even had the chance to reject it.
She did give a nice partisan speech (written by a George W. Bush speech writer) but where was the substance and positions on the issues. Has anyone else wondered why she has not spoken to a single reporter or held a single press conference since being picked? Let's get back to talking about the issues that will effect the American people. One can understand why Sarah and the Republican Party would want to stray away from them and instead demean community organizers and point fingers at the news media. It's got to be hard to have to campaign against the last eight years.
Obama/Biden '08 "
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." Congress also already had killed the project due to public outcry before Palin even had the chance to reject it.
She did give a nice partisan speech (written by a George W. Bush speech writer) but where was the substance and positions on the issues. Has anyone else wondered why she has not spoken to a single reporter or held a single press conference since being picked? Let's get back to talking about the issues that will effect the American people. One can understand why Sarah and the Republican Party would want to stray away from them and instead demean community organizers and point fingers at the news media. It's got to be hard to have to campaign against the last eight years.
Obama/Biden '08 "
interested wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:33 AM:
" So we all know the politicians running for office have speech writers and there are many good reasons for that. Standing on the outside looking in it is realized that Americans seem to have to have something or someone 'new' and 'exciting' every few months. Wonder when this "celebrity" craze will cease. I mean, Mr. Obama was new and for the most part unheard of a year or so ago, and what happened? Everyone went for him. 250,000 people in Germany just to see the new American celebrity. So many people in America almost passionately follow him. Now there's a new 'girl in town', a new 'celebrity' if you will. Sarah Palin. The Republican Party can't get enough of her. The news media cannot get enough of her even if it is to slam everything she does or says. Mrs. Palin received more applause tonight than McCain. Sarah Palin is now the new 'celebrity' and Obama now seems to be losing the limelight, or becoming 'old hat' if you will. New and improved. New and improved. On with the new and off with the old, even if it has only been a few months. What a country!!! Does anything serious like health insurance, the economy, the Iraqi take over even seriously enter anyone's mind anymore? Are these issues just a by-product of why a particular celebrity should be voted in office? Wow, if Rip VanWinkle woke up from even an eight year nap he would wonder what country he was in. "
Go Sarah wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:14 PM:
" To Jeremy:
Sarah Palin did not support Pat Buchanan in 2000. Do your research before you spout off. She wore a button one day when he came to visit her town. That's it. Sarah Palin has been running a State while Barack Obama has been flapping his gums reading fancy speeches someone else wrote. "
Sarah Palin did not support Pat Buchanan in 2000. Do your research before you spout off. She wore a button one day when he came to visit her town. That's it. Sarah Palin has been running a State while Barack Obama has been flapping his gums reading fancy speeches someone else wrote. "
Redman wrote on Sep 4, 2008 11:51 AM:
" I was very impressed with Sarah Palini's speech last night also. No wonder the bleeding heart liberals are scared and the left wing media are slamming her. Rudy was great also. Heck, I have more executive, leadership and management experience than Bark Obamer. He's a loser folks and he has a loser running mate - does the word PLAGERISM mean anything to you? "
Interested wrote on Sep 3, 2008 3:40 AM:
" I agree with "huh". About everything. Especially that we need to get rid of both parties and start fresh. Only problem is, it seems even if someone sounds and is proven honest....after a few months they don't seem to be honest anymore. I still say America is now unrecognizable. Most of us complain about either the dems or the republicans or both, but why isn't anyone offering a genuine solution? We cannot really vote for an independent because the Congress is pretty well tied up with democrats and republicans and an independent would get nowhere quick. So..,.yeah...we would have to get rid of all present government first, just as "huh" suggests. Any other suggestions?? "
huh... wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:33 PM:
" Jeremy said: "I want a President that makes up his mind and then doesn't change it no matter what the facts show" Yeah, that's what I want, a president who doesn't change his mind when the facts come in and are different than originally thought. I'm pretty sure that's what got us in the war we are in now.
Personally I would like a president that can admit if he's made a mistake and change his mind about things.
Anyone can read a good speech. Please realize Obama doesn't write his speeches, someone else does. Isn't it great that Obama memorized a speech someone else wrote and now people think that his words were wonderful. Unfortunately they weren't his words and as politicians go, words are just that, words.
The only way this country will ever turn around is if we completely get rid of our government and start fresh! "
Personally I would like a president that can admit if he's made a mistake and change his mind about things.
Anyone can read a good speech. Please realize Obama doesn't write his speeches, someone else does. Isn't it great that Obama memorized a speech someone else wrote and now people think that his words were wonderful. Unfortunately they weren't his words and as politicians go, words are just that, words.
The only way this country will ever turn around is if we completely get rid of our government and start fresh! "
Redman wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:18 PM:
" Several years ago I said Hillary should have stayed home and baked cookies. She should have listened to me. Llook at her, now, she no more than a washed up carpet bagger. "
Roflcopter wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Please enjoy this random collection of trivia and political bantering. If you are easily offended or are Republican, pancakes.
Socialism works if people aren't lazy... or stupid. The military, higher education, city and state infrastructure, and pancakes are all socialized. Health care needs it. I noe reserch iz hard.
McCain's campaign vetted Palin by reading news clippings and Googling her... the day before he chose her as his VP. Token pancakes.
You: "I was raped by my murderous brother and am now pregnant with his demon-spawn." Various Republicans: "Too bad. We're forcing you to have the baby. Also, good luck paying for the medical bills. Pancakes."
(Various) Republicans: "Your dad died? You had to sell your house to pay for his medical bills? Well, in that case! Pancakes."
All aboard the short-bus-express beep beep. "
Socialism works if people aren't lazy... or stupid. The military, higher education, city and state infrastructure, and pancakes are all socialized. Health care needs it. I noe reserch iz hard.
McCain's campaign vetted Palin by reading news clippings and Googling her... the day before he chose her as his VP. Token pancakes.
You: "I was raped by my murderous brother and am now pregnant with his demon-spawn." Various Republicans: "Too bad. We're forcing you to have the baby. Also, good luck paying for the medical bills. Pancakes."
(Various) Republicans: "Your dad died? You had to sell your house to pay for his medical bills? Well, in that case! Pancakes."
All aboard the short-bus-express beep beep. "
Jeremy wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:43 PM:
" I love the "stay the course" message from the Republican that didn't even have the sense to put a name to their post. God (Buddha, Allah, etc) forbid someone have an original stance on something (like say the Iraqi War that they were told was SO vital to our national security) then once they find out that things aren't how they thought they were, change that stance. No, I want a President that makes up his mind and then doesn't change it no matter what the facts show. If you get new information and decide that the original thought you had was wrong, just stay the course, you don't want to be called a flip-flopper. Oh and I'm sorry but a woman that doesn't support abortion for rape victims is a nut, plain and simple. I also like how Gov. Palin wants to legislate people's personal lives (outlawing abortion, outlaw gay marriage) but when it's her life that's in the news (her 17-year old daughter is pregnant) then it suddenly becomes a "private family matter". I agree that it's a private family matter and no one else's business, just like an unwanted pregnancy or someone's sexual orientation is private and not for government to decide. I thought you Righties were for less government, so why all the need to legislate your morality onto the rest of us?? Awfully hypocritical. "
NowForTheRestOfTheStory wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:59 PM:
" As in 'the messiah's' speech, the local Democrat comments leave out the rest of the story. Sarah Palin has more EXECUTIVE experience than Obama. She was GOVERNING a state when Obama started his presidential campaign with his vast 143 days in the U.S. Senate and his PRESENT votes in the Illinois State House.You can twist the truth anyway that you want. Obama is nothing more than an 'empty suit' politician who will do whatever it takes and throw anybody under the bus to get elected. His acceptance speech showed more anger than hope He proved that the Presidency is "above his pay grade."His attacks on McCain were laughable and full of half-truths. As for McCain's choice for Sarah Palin as VP - It was brilliant. The Obama balloon didn't burst but it sure lost a lot of hot air. "
ERichardD wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:30 AM:
" I wouldn't vote for Obama if my life depended on it. I'm volunteering for the McCain campaign, and will do everything I can to keep Obama out of office.
Do you really want our country to become socialist? "
Do you really want our country to become socialist? "
Interested wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:27 AM:
" You know, I just don't even recognize America anymore. So very much hatred for each other. Both republican and democratic parties don't seem to do what's best for we citizens. Seems as if they only cater to whatever lobbyist can furnish them with the most at any given time. This United States has some big problems right now and sure could use an intelligent, common sensed individual to lead. Perhaps a combination of liberal and conservative, someone that could perhaps see both sides or at least listen to other's ideas. Popularity contests just don't make it with me, so, for now I'll just write someone in. "
Missing the Point wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:26 PM:
" 15 whole supporters.......you're missing the the point. It's not the number that counts but the magnitude of the event. I read that the convention party at the Tuck's was one of twenty-two across the State of Iowa along with the other hundred plus across the country that night.This is the beauty of the Obama campaign.
It's fair to say that the parties were encouraged for organizational purposes but one needs to look at the bigger picture. What Obama does is bring people together for a common purpose. After reading the article it seems that there were a cross section of people in attendance that night. Retired individuals, African-Americans, young people, etc. All brought together to celebrate history but also together that night because they all are inspired by Obama to seek a better path for this country. Would all fifteen of these people be sharing each other's company on any given normal evening?
This is what we need in a President. Someone who inspires us and challenges the American people to be better than we can be. A President cannot single handedly lower gas prices or give us affordable health care. It's when Americans are brought together regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. that our greatest challenges can be solved.
So in response I ask that you check your cynicism at the door and get on board. Kudos to the Tuck's and everyone in attendance that night. Democracy defeats it's purpose when citizens are stagnant and not participating. If we were more informed and active voters than maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we're in as a Country right now.
I'm Fired Up and Ready to Go!!!! "
It's fair to say that the parties were encouraged for organizational purposes but one needs to look at the bigger picture. What Obama does is bring people together for a common purpose. After reading the article it seems that there were a cross section of people in attendance that night. Retired individuals, African-Americans, young people, etc. All brought together to celebrate history but also together that night because they all are inspired by Obama to seek a better path for this country. Would all fifteen of these people be sharing each other's company on any given normal evening?
This is what we need in a President. Someone who inspires us and challenges the American people to be better than we can be. A President cannot single handedly lower gas prices or give us affordable health care. It's when Americans are brought together regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. that our greatest challenges can be solved.
So in response I ask that you check your cynicism at the door and get on board. Kudos to the Tuck's and everyone in attendance that night. Democracy defeats it's purpose when citizens are stagnant and not participating. If we were more informed and active voters than maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we're in as a Country right now.
I'm Fired Up and Ready to Go!!!! "
wrote on Aug 31, 2008 3:57 AM:
" I find it idiotic that a Democrat would chastise the Republican Party for throwing away a chance at middle ground in the VP nomination when Obama and Biden are liberal mirror images of each other. And if one wants to talk about sell-outs then we would have to first examine Biden's Iraq War resolutions vote.
This is way liberals work: like all of their demagogical kin they take a strong stance until things go bad, then they get weak-kneed, refuse to acknowledge their original stance and go on the attack (usually using words like “nut job”) to distract attention away from that original stance. When all else fails they deny taking the stance and hope that the media never questions them (which usually works).
With the choice of Obama and McCain, all Hillary supporters should vote for Pat Buchanan. "
This is way liberals work: like all of their demagogical kin they take a strong stance until things go bad, then they get weak-kneed, refuse to acknowledge their original stance and go on the attack (usually using words like “nut job”) to distract attention away from that original stance. When all else fails they deny taking the stance and hope that the media never questions them (which usually works).
With the choice of Obama and McCain, all Hillary supporters should vote for Pat Buchanan. "
Jeremy wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:44 PM:
" Now is not the time for Dems to bicker between each other. Hillary made it clear that if you were in it for her you should be in it for Barack too. What we Dems need to concentrate on is making sure that sell-out McCain doesn't win. I can't believe he would throw away any chance he had at the middle by picking such an ultra right-wing nut like he did. Not only does she have LESS government experience than Barack, she also supported Pat Buchanan in 2000. That's all you need to know. McCain wants to talk about Barack's lack of judgment but he just showed his own with his VP choice. "
News Flash Hillary LOST wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:57 PM:
" Obama must of had more than 15 supporters because he is up for president and Hilary's not. Hilary spporters need to get over it and face the fact that Obama is better and it shows, who was at the convention giving a accepttance speech, OBAMA
YES WE CAN! "
YES WE CAN! "
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To D wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:31 PM: